Taxonomic Swap 19224 (Submetido em 31-08-2017)

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Adicionado(s) por kueda em 13 de janeiro de 2017, 05:44 PM | Committed by kueda on 31 de agosto de 2017
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This seems pretty unambiguous, but @charlie and @mickley, can you confirm before I commit (cc @tsn)?

Publicado por kueda mais de 7 anos antes

This is consistent with my msot recent knowledge of the taxonomy of this species... thanks!

Publicado por charlie mais de 7 anos antes

@kueda, @charlie, @tsn:

This should be Rubus repens, not Dalibarda repens or Rubus dalibarda

Rubus repens is the accepted name on ITIS. ITIS cites Flora of North America as its source.

Flora of North America justifies the switch on molecular data from Alice & Campbell 1999, and it looks like this is still supported (Potter et al 2007)

It looks like many databases (gobotany, NPIN, USDA, Wikipedia) are wrong in using Dalibarda repens or Rubus dalibarda

Publicado por mickley mais de 7 anos antes

It looks like use of Rubus dalibarda (1761) predates that of R. repens according to IPNI.

But R. dalibarda is listed as Nom illeg, including in this note (Reveal 2014).

Without knowing the basis for it being an illegal name, I think R. repens is the safest bet.

Publicado por mickley mais de 7 anos antes

Gobotany isn't always right for sure, but i don't feel like there is one hard and fast plant taxonomy to attach to. At my new-ish job I have been using ITIS and haven't bumped into any problems yet so maybe that's better to anchor to... not sure

Publicado por charlie mais de 7 anos antes

To re-re-re-re-reiterate, taxonomy is subjective, so there is no "correct" taxonomy, just opinions. Hence, we stick to authorities. Just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing some kind of conflict with authorities other than GoBotany.

That said, ITIS is pretty dang current these days. Who knows if it will remain so, though.

Publicado por kueda mais de 7 anos antes

Yes, I usually rely on ITIS or theplantlist too as a first pass. Especially useful because they usually cite their justification. That lets you at least evaluate on your own.

Any subsequent changes are very likely to cite that justification, so a quick look on google scholar can often give you a pretty good idea on what the level of expert agreement is.

Publicado por mickley mais de 7 anos antes

Any reason not to commit so that we can merge them into a single taxon here on iNat?
Can always be swapped into R. repens at a later date if the authorities update.
( http://www.inaturalist.org/flags/116691 )

Publicado por bouteloua mais de 6 anos antes

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