Taxonomic Swap 43448 (Submetido em 26-11-2018)

REFERENCES
Machado, R.J.P. et al. 2018: Owlflies are derived antlions: anchored phylogenomics supports a new phylogeny and classification of Myrmeleontidae (Neuroptera). Systematic entomology, DOI

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Adicionado(s) por stephen_thorpe em 26 de novembro de 2018, 08:26 PM | Committed by stephen_thorpe on 26 de novembro de 2018
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Hi Stephen,
Are there any subfamilies within the former Ascalaphidae that are still treated as different subfamilies (to the "new" Ascalaphinae) in this new treatment?

Publicado por silversea_starsong mais de 5 anos antes

There is still some work to be done on iNat, below the family level, but I don't have access just at the moment to the full article cited above, so it'll have to wait a few days.

Publicado por stephen_thorpe mais de 5 anos antes

Doesn't the article suggest that the Ascapaphidae are now the Ascalaphinae within Myrmeleontidae?

Publicado por ianmcmillan mais de 5 anos antes

Yes, but there was an Ascalaphinae in Ascalaphidae already, along with other subfamilies, so it still needs sorting out when I get the chance to read the full article.

Publicado por stephen_thorpe mais de 5 anos antes

I will be eagerly awaiting the outcome. :)

Publicado por ianmcmillan mais de 5 anos antes

I would presume any subfamilies within Ascalaphine (former treatment) would become tribes in the new treatment of Ascalaphinae, then any tribes from the former treatment would just disappear?? Not sure exactly how taxon lumps work.

Publicado por silversea_starsong mais de 5 anos antes

Not necessarily like that! Depends on the results of their phylogenetic analysis

Publicado por stephen_thorpe mais de 5 anos antes

Registering interest.

Just a thoughlet: should we be making taxonomic changes on iNat based on papers that no one has actually read or reviewed yet...?

@beetledude

Publicado por karoopixie mais de 5 anos antes

The paper has been through peer review, so any further "review" is not needed. The changes I made initially were from reading the abstract of the paper, so it wasn't entirely "unread". A few days later I obtained a copy of the full paper and I am in the process of incorporating all the changes (but it is quite a big task!)

Publicado por stephen_thorpe mais de 5 anos antes

Progress update: I have tidied it up to subfamily level now (except that someone has added the fossil genus Neadelphus, which is difficult to place). Tribes will have to wait for another day.

Publicado por stephen_thorpe mais de 5 anos antes

Apologies, just flagged the 'why not just shift all Ascalaphidae to Ascalaphinae rather than reverting to the sea of Myrmeleontidae' issue without seeing it had already been raised here. Will try to remove flag, but sentiment remains.

Publicado por william6 mais de 3 anos antes

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